. >> i want to play -- chuck todd had this on his show this morning. 1990, charlton heston, the nra president at the time, fighting against president clinton, then president, over gun control efforts despite bill clinton saying, listen, i'm from gun country. we have to make a move. and actually, even invited the nra to the table. here was charlton heston in '94. >> i'm amazed at -- as was true in the civil rights struggle in the '60s how much deception, how much deliberate misstatement of reality is taking place in this debate. >> so amy, when you hear this comment and several others including the internet comment of david king, it seems the nra strategy is we're under siege. yesterday's executive action mentioned by joe biden, we know, set off a firestorm with some conservatives. how's there a reasonable conversation when an organization sees themselves as a victim, amy? >> i think the white house is that they have great respect for the 2nd amendment. >> every time the white house says that, you then have what i pointed to, others who say, yes, you are. how do you meet them in the middle? >>